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Thing that has been frustrating me about the fake news coverage: Reporters tend to treat ad revenue as profit when it is gross revenue.Permalink On twitter.com
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That NPR article & others report $10k to $30k/mo as 'how much fake news sites make'. Ok. So, how much does it cost to run a fake news site?On twitter.com
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Let's play at some back-of-napkin math. He makes $20k in a month and we'll say he makes $0.04 per impression, similar to a mid-quality site.Permalink On twitter.com
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So that means 500,000 impressions on his fake news site a month (honestly not that much). So what are the costs?Permalink On twitter.com
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Those are impressions that earn, Considering site quality let's say his traffic is prob 50% bots that don't earn. So monthly traffic is 1milPermalink On twitter.com
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So talking with some folks about these numbers and looking at the example site given in the NPR article which has 2 RevContents, 1 displayPermalink On twitter.com
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The Display is Q1Media. Looking at various reports it is placed as $15-$30 CPM. Now looking at RevContent.Permalink On twitter.com
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Of the content networks RevContent supposedly has the highest RPM and lowest quality, both in content and bot-checking.Permalink On twitter.com
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(Sorry, I meant RPM for Q1Media above)Permalink On twitter.com
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Revcontent's own site says RPMs as high as $40, others report as low as $3/unit. Let's split the difference on both:Permalink On twitter.com
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If we went down the middle on both and added up their RPMs it would actually be higher than $40/RPM. And that's not even counting clicks.Permalink On twitter.com
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So actually, I'm going to stick with my initial estimate. $0.04 per impression. But it was good to do the math. It might be way lower but...Permalink On twitter.com
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... like I said, this is back of napkin stuff.Permalink On twitter.com
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As an aside, can I note how depressing it is that this fake news site has better load performance than most real news sites?Permalink On twitter.com
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So that level of traffic is above your average shared hosting plan. So the host is likely a dedicated plan or AWS.Permalink On twitter.com
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Let's make a safe assumption that these people are relatively unsophisticated technically, so not AWS.Permalink On twitter.com
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Since it is a WordPress site, though it is not likely hosted on WPEngine, I'm going to just go there to get a guesstimate of hosting costs.Permalink On twitter.com
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And I'm not an Ops expert, so if you are, feel free to correct me.Permalink On twitter.com
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According to reports, a >1mil WP site on WP Engine would have a base hosting cost of $2,000/monthPermalink On twitter.com
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Assuming that $20k/mo earnings, that means 10% of revenue minimum for hosting costs. Then we get into a bunch of other costs:Permalink On twitter.com
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Is there a CDN? That has a cost. Also they apparently pay writers. That too has a cost. Though both are a lot harder to estimate.Permalink On twitter.com
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Also unclear: how much time does it take to make fake news? What's the equivalent hourly rate these people are making?Permalink On twitter.com
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I don't know here, it is real into the weeds depending on a lot of factors.Permalink On twitter.com
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If we're going to be conservative, would it be fair to say paying for writers and home office costs is an additional $4,000/mo?Permalink On twitter.com
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Who knows here, but let's just take that as a number for some basic costs, we'll say it includes CDN costs too. So yearly income: $168,000Permalink On twitter.com
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Of course, our American fake news site-runner also has to pay taxes.Permalink On twitter.com
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According to Wikipedia, Federal taxes for 100,000 to 335,000 are "$22,250 + 39% of the amount over 100,000"Permalink On twitter.com
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So total taxes would be $17,846+22,250 = $40,096. So our American fake news maker would bring in $127,904 profit per year. Being generous.Permalink On twitter.com
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(I'm assuming he properly deducts his costs, of course.)Permalink On twitter.com
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In reality, costs are likely higher, and t/f actual yearly profit is probably less.Permalink On twitter.com
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It would be cool if the next fake news report actually filled in some of these cost blanks. It would likely sound a lot less panicky.Permalink On twitter.com
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So bluechoochoo notes that I'm not even accounting for purchased traffic costs, which def exist - bluechoochoo/807294369090834432Permalink On twitter.com
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Seems increasingly unlikely that even the high performing fake news maker in the NPR article breaks 100k/year.Permalink On twitter.com
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So Wonkette's commiegirl1 notes their effective revenue per impression is $0.0037. commiegirl1/807295794378342400Permalink On twitter.com
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To get the revenue reported in the NPR article, fake news sites at that rate of revenue would have to create 5.4mil page views a month.Permalink On twitter.com
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For the record that would pop minimum estimate of hosting cost based off WPEngine numbers to $7,200. So 36% of profits minimum for hosting.Permalink On twitter.com
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So even if they spent zero dollars on paid traffic (highly unlikely) we're talking ~50% of revenue going to business costs.Permalink On twitter.com
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Taxes still paid on the over $100,000 slot. But now about $2-3k/mo. Which means they're making mby $8,000/mo profit? Still being generous.Permalink On twitter.com
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So, and this is assuming the fake news sites actually get >5.4 million monthly impressions--which seems unlikely, annual profit is $84-128kPermalink On twitter.com
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But that's before accounting for paid traffic costs. If we counted those in, that number gets *way* lower. I'd bet less then $80k by a lot.Permalink On twitter.com
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BTW, $8-7,000/mo is very close to the NYT article's number. So maybe *that* fake news person was reporting profit not gross revenue?Permalink On twitter.com
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So yeah, not as crazy profitable as it initially sounded to run a fake news site.Permalink On twitter.com
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That said, sad truth is if he worked 40/hrs per week on fake news the profit is still more than the average salary for a single reporter.Permalink On twitter.com
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$72k > highest average reporter salary by location reported by Pontyer in 2013 poynter.org/2013/why-an-average-journalism-grads-salary-might-not-be-an-average-salary-where-you-work/202172/Permalink On twitter.com
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But on the flip side, he has to pay his own healthcare costs in that case? So perhaps it comes out about even.Permalink On twitter.com
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($72k based on the $6k/mo number in the NYT article)Permalink On twitter.com
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Though worth remembering, all these numbers get much lower if he's paying for a decent chunk of traffic, which is very possible.Permalink On twitter.com
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So, to sum up: fake news person in NPR's coverage prob makes enough to underpay a few writers and pay himself less then avg salary for DC.Permalink On twitter.com
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Sure, it would be better if he made $0. But in the grand scheme of things the alleged largest player is still a fairly small fish.Permalink On twitter.com
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It's likely WAY less. From Aug-Election day BuzzFeed reported 8.7mil Fake News conversions from FB. Makes the 5.4 number seem unlikely.Permalink On twitter.com
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Also, seriously makes me doubt the numbers self-reported by fake-news-writing teens in the NBC story nbcnews.com/news/world/fake-news-how-partying-macedonian-teen-earns-thousands-publishing-lies-n692451Permalink On twitter.com
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I mean sure... party night on AdSense bucks. But buying BMWs? Seems unlikely. Mby NBC should have been a little less trusting.Permalink On twitter.com
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I mean... I dunno. Maybe let's not trust people who are making a living out of writing fake news to tell the truth about their earnings?Permalink On twitter.com
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And even if we double their FB traffic on their best months, we're talking about a total of 6 million impressions on Fake News a month?Permalink On twitter.com
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I know it looks like a big number... but in grand scheme of things: relatively minor. The avg John Oliver YouTube clip reaches more people.Permalink On twitter.com
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I mean... seriously. One LastWeekTonight YouTube video might have more plays than the entirety of impressions for fake news over a month.Permalink On twitter.com
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(Note: that BuzzFeed number is *engagements* which means not all of them are even monetized click-throughs.)Permalink On twitter.com
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Like $30k in ad impression revenue in a month? That's a lot of traffic, that traffic has costs. What is the actual profit?Permalink On twitter.com
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Oop, sorry, I broke the thread. Continues here: Chronotope/807264273529507841Permalink On twitter.com
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