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I think this is an interesting take, and has some correct bits, but also, I think browser mediated ad targeting has potential. Myles_Younger/1225966635141361664
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I'm still in the process of digging into Turtledove and how it interacts with other proposals, but also I don't think we can make it to a secure future for users w/out some level of mediation being removed from on page js and into browsers. There are just too many gaps otherwise.
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While I think the endless parade of marketing people who say 'but I like personalized ads' don't represent a useful data point, I don't think we can progress w/out an approach that allows the claim that 'users with an informed data opt in would use it' to be meaningfully tested.
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(unless, of course, we get an actually useful national law)
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There's a real problem in that smart systems can de-anonymize anyone eventually given enough accurate time stamps on things like attribution & metrics. When these functions are moved into a browser they can be time-shifted because the browser is persistent and a loaded page isn't
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Now that concept - moving ad display decisions off the page and into the browser - is a technical challenge but not an impossible one.
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When you see an ad a lot of the 'possible' ads you could see are all ready to fire. Firing them and their bids into the browser and letting it decide is not as far-flung an approach as some might think IMO.
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It looks to me like Myles_Younger has identified some serious *security* issues, which are worth digging into. I suspect a final version of browser-mediated advertising will have to be far more draconian in what it allows executed and when. That is def a good thing.
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Myles_Younger All that said, I think we need to continue proposing, inventing and exploring down this particular path, because there's no real privacy possible without serious browser changes, and browser-mediation is def one of a number of possible solutions.
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Myles_Younger Also, creating a system in which well-informed users can make choices about sharing some of their personal data in specific contexts in exchange for entry instead of making the only options registration and/or payment is, I think, a useful concept to give deeper consideration.
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Myles_Younger There are dangers there as well, that only the poor get tracked, that it creates an unequal class system that protrudes into real life, that it could create *more* algorithmic redlining, and more...
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Myles_Younger But I genuinely fear for our society if we end up in a place where all the facts are locked behind payment and all the falsehoods are free. The same problems of class and redlining can be created that way too, along with a whole other set of different issues.
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Myles_Younger To be blunt, there are only imperfect solutions here unless either we get one world government to ban user data collection or we tear down capitalism forever, so I think the goal should be to consider these very carefully and prioritize for *access to truth*.
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Myles_Younger There are other very reasonable, well-educated, smart takes that don't think that way, I'll say that. I respect their positions. But I think in an internet-infused world 'information access'==opportunity/resources and news orgs in particular are ill-served by closing that access.
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Myles_Younger As we work on user privacy, we need to be sure that we can progress it without making it so that those with the technical capability, time or money to make themselves 'private' aren't doing so while putting those without those resources at an informational disadvantage...
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Myles_Younger Privacy right now is expensive in both time and money. When thinking through how we design the systems of the future, we need to aim to make privacy cheaper, hopefully free, but not at the expense of access to news and important information, which is also an important resource.
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Myles_Younger Err this is getting long... don't allow these obstacles to block pursuit of better privacy technology, but don't let that pursuit destroy the whole model of informational equality we have always wished the internet would have. And I think browser-mediated ads are useful for that.
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Myles_Younger Also this is worth consideration: github.com/WICG/trust-token-api
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