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Civil sending a non technical person to talk about blockchain is *chef kiss* but also, does Civil intend to archive full content on the blockchain?
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Implied a few minutes ago at youtu.be/Y9MN8xwmWBo
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So many wrong questions asked and answered here.
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I feel like it *is* worth it to go into all the reasons the Civil sale failed. Seems pretty pertinent.
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Blockchain's visibility in the types of communities it claims to secure with preserving data is causing problems in oppressive regimes due to its very transparency but hey it is totally able to help you vote... hmmmm I see a problem.
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"I haven't seen the proof yet [of blockchain's promise]" - manoushz
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"No one has a general definition of what premium [journalism] means ... we don't know how to quantify premium yet" - jarroddicker
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'There was a story to be told here and at least if blockchain falls on its face we've questioned our assumptions' - jarroddicker
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"We're squeezing [blockchain] and squeezing it to fit the assumptions we have now" - jarroddicker
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"The next phase is asking why does that data [that you store on blockchain] have value?" - jarroddicker
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'The incentives come out of people wanting to have a stake in the chain' - Mike Goldin of ConsenSys
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"Voting participation in adChain is under 1%" - Mike Goldin ConsenSys
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You have to be "assuming that people like money" when building blockchain applications. - Mike Goldin ConsenSys
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"People are extraordinarily generous with their time ... when there's a personal connection there" - manoushz
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.manoushz talks about the need for journalists to try things that will make us money because every journalist is, in many ways, an entrepreneur.
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"Everyone is so quick to say this isn't going hit my Q3 goal ... they aren't thinking about how this new technology is going to change their way of thinking in the first place" - jarroddicker
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"Gmail is free, if I screw up, eh [but with blockchain, money is involved] ... [blockchain technology] it's a leap and I still haven't seen it work" - manoushz
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"It requires this jump into the deep end approach ... there's no one in this room who is comfortable with the media model today" - jarroddicker
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"Do advertisers in the future want to advertise with the Washington Post or do they want to advertise with you [a particular creator] and that's why someone hires you?" - jarroddicker
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"This collective element is what I love the most about Civil ... this ability to be small but deep with your reporting still requires an ecosystem ... the hope is that Civil becomes a mark of quality and that has nothing to do with blockchain" - manoushz
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Me: 'How do blockchain projects protect against people with lots of money who don't mind losing it to crash the project?' Mike Goldin of ConsenSys : "There are dystopian outcomes ... That's a 51% attack which TCRs really don't have a defense against." ...
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manoushz: "In Civil, the council is supposed to prevent that." The protection is that 'we're bringing people back into the equation'.
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"Can we start signaling better values?" ... 'The best way to think about it is a new set of data so that we can make clear these things are valuable.' - jarroddicker
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"The bottom has dropped out of the internet I must have to do something safe like publishing" - How ftrain ended up moving from software to writing.
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"The record of the story will always be on the blockchain but the story [itself] can be de-published" - alexiabedat So no, Civil isn't actually storing an archive of the content just the metadata of it so... how is it preventing censorship or maintaining archives?
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"It's software that's functional and if you can use it to give people better experiences and better control over their environment [that's a good thing]" - ftrain
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"The whole thing is one giant animated under construction gif" - ftrain
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"When you want to know what's next on the internet I look at 'That's absolutely horrible and everyone is terrible'" - ftrain
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"We're putting a baboon heart into journalism right now" - ftrain
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When it comes to these blockchain projects the assumption is that participants share our values. "That's based on the assumption that the majority of people who say what's right [in blockchain projects] have the value of truth at heart" - alexiabedat
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"What level of anonymity is allowed? ... it's still humans involved." - ftrain
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"You'd be surprised at what courts understand and don't understand" - alexiabedat "[Courts] just didn't understand how the internet worked" - emilybell
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"Who likes the idea that whoever has the most money decides what's true? ... Everything we've seen here seems to work with whoever has the most coins have the most votes?" - Q from the floor
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"I don't think technology creates good or bad I think the people who use it do good or bad" - Salafel Man I could not disagree harder.
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"What makes me uncomfortable is ... the incentive [for blockchain projects] is monetization... but I don't know what else it could be." - alexiabedat
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.ftrain talks about 'citizenship' as being a part of the incentives in blockchain projects but that it was never realized on the web.
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- alexiabedat: "The failsafe [for blockchain participants] depends on who it is for, the publisher, the platform? A lot of the thinking ... from a media lawyer perspective ... ends up being very similar to how you protect yourself in print"
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"It's really hard to go backwards and that's the current cultural moment" - ftrain
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"There was an element of empathy [in the older technology proposals of the early web] but that isn't part of how centralized platforms work." - ftrain
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"I don't think it [blockchain] is going to make us a lot of money ... I think of it as a building material" - Salafel
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I gotta say Salafel seems very confident that kicking Forbes off the chain isn't going to be a problem Civil Council is going to have to face. I would bet that's the first issue to pop up.